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I love the moments when I bond with another brother after doing a Church service.
I was driving home from Stake Temple Night Friday, along with a brother who’s a month short of turning 80. It was a particularly good session and we went home with a little more wind in our sails. The brother, a sweet man who still teaches karate to families, has a tendency of either staying real quiet or running his sentences in a steady stream, disregarding punctuation or breathing in his delivery. And since he joined the Church late in his life, he tends to have at his disposal more colorful stories than a high councilman or, say, your garden variety longshoreman.
“Yeah, boy, I love the Church, but I really miss women. I need a woman. You know before I joined, I was having an affair with a married woman. Yeah, she was swell– Connie’s her name, man she had this wild red hair, y’know– and one day she says to me, ‘My husband’s being relocated to Vegas, so we’re buying a house over there. How about if you buy a house over there?’ And I said ‘Well sure why not,’ and so we’re living in the same neighborhood and just continuing like we always have. But then, you know, I’m visiting my brother in LA, and the missionaries knock on the door and I answer it and I’m thinking what they say’s pretty good so I get the lessons. And then I tell them I want to get baptized and they say I’ll have to stop drinking and sleeping with married women. And I’m thinkin’ to myself, that’s okay, I’ll just sleep with unmarried women. But then, you know, when I’m being interviewed they tell me I can’t sleep with any women except my wife, and I’m thinkin’ wait a minute do I really want this? But yeah I go ahead and do it and now I haven’t been with a woman for something like 20 years. I don’t want a woman my own age, y’know, she’s gotta be younger. Like when I moved into the ward I saw this one woman and I’m askin’ Mike, ‘Hey, who’s that? She’s pretty good-lookin'’ and he says, ‘Hey man, that’s the bishop’s wife’ and I’m all, Oh shoot, just my luck, y’know? I miss bourbon, too. Wild Turkey…”
I’m just grateful no one else was in the car trying to change the subject. Temple cab confessions, man, pearls o’ wisdom. And I’m just driving the car, going, “Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh…”
Then he says, “How about you?” Playing like I don’t know what he means, I volunteer that I used to like Jack Daniels. “Another bourbon man! I didn’t know that about you, Dave, put ‘er there. Gee, yeah, you like Wild Turkey too? How about women?” “Um… I joined the church too young. I was a virgin when I got married.” “Aw, that’s great, I mean it, I’m jealous. ‘Cause I just slept around way too much y’know, I mean what was to stop me?”
Indeed, what was to stop him. Certainly not me. So as the lights of the temple continued to shrink in my rear view mirror, I was going home with Willie Nelson and all the girls he loved before. Should I have stopped his debauchery discourse? I didn’t think so, not at the time. Afterward I second-guessed myself, of course, but while driving down the freeway that night, listening to this seasoned, lonely brother who gave up all his favorite pleasures for the Lord, I felt it was fine for him to share it– albeit enthusiastically– as a way to let me know how much he loved the Lord.
Since I’ve been LDS I’ve come across those who would have me believe because I’ve abandoned certain pleasures when I converted, I shouldn’t like them anymore. Well, liking and being afflicted with temptations of them are two different things in my book. As far as I know I still like bourbon and I still like coffee. I just don’t partake of them anymore because I’ve covenanted not to. In fact, since it is just casual fondness for these things and not wholesale allurement, I count it as a credit to me to hold fast to my convictions. If it was planted in my heart to despise these things, that wouldn’t be much of an exercise in faith.
In the meantime, I’m not sure what impresses me the most: That this guy would tell me of his wild escapades, that he easily dropped all for the Church or that he bought a house in Vegas just to keep dating Connie the Wild Married Redhead.


11 responses so far ↓
1 Jim // May 12, 2008 at 9:06 pm
David,
From my perspective as one that has been in the church all of my life, there is something admirable regarding the faith of converts that make major lifestyle changes when they are baptized. This faith, I believe, often results in a greater level of conversion than perhaps some that are born in the covenant achieve. I guess it is rarely beneficial to make comparisons because we never really know another’s heart, but if others can give up their vices, certainly I should be able to give up my selfishness and pride.
2 David // May 13, 2008 at 2:35 am
Well, Jim, it sounds like you have.
3 Jim // May 13, 2008 at 4:24 am
David,
I’m curious to understand what makes you think that. If I’m honest with myself, although it may not seem so from outward appearance, I often feel as deep in selfish thoughts and attitudes as your pre-baptism buddy was in drink and women.
4 David // May 13, 2008 at 5:33 am
Well, Jim, I’ll tell ya… It’s not the booze or broads that are so insurmountable, but the stuff that converts and BICs share: Overcoming the selfishness and the judging and the impatience and self-defeatism and the intolerance and the willingness to give up time and focus for others. Believe me, converting to the Church was the easy part.
5 xoxoxoxo // May 13, 2008 at 9:36 am
Awwwwwww…you two are as warm and fuzzy as my favorite slippers. *g*
I’ll throw a wrench in here and ask ” If we are still selfish and judgmental and impatient and intolerant…have we really been converted?”
JOINING the Church or attending the Church we are born in is the easy part if you ask me…conversion is a much longer and ultimately more rewarding adventure.
6 xoxoxoxo // May 13, 2008 at 9:37 am
P.S.
I thought I burned all those old pictures…I must have missed one…:-P
7 David // May 13, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Connie? That you?
8 David // May 13, 2008 at 2:28 pm
If we are still selfish and judgmental and impatient and intolerant…have we really been converted?
Of course– to a degree. But, as you have so aptly inferred, conversion is a process, even a life-long effort. I’m not the same person I was even a year ago… and that could be said of anyone on any level, even the new prophet.
9 xoxoxoxo // May 14, 2008 at 11:30 pm
“Connie? That you?”
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! I can’t take being relocated by the Mistress Protection Program AGAIN!!! You have to admit I look GOOD for 80 somethingish…
Yep, conversion is a life-long process. That’s what I wanted Jim to remember, along with pointing out that perhaps the “contrast” points between a convert to the Church and a lifer might make it seem like they are reaching a greater level of conversion when they really aren’t.
I look at it this way…If two people are standing eye to eye on a mountain side, one dropped there by a helicopter and the other having hiked from the bottom, they are both still at the same altitude.
10 David // May 15, 2008 at 12:19 am
Well said, Ms. Story Problems. Now, please try to refrain from any “If Two Trains Are Traveling to Chicago” scenarios.
11 xoxoxoxo // May 15, 2008 at 4:44 am
If two trains are traveling to Chicago, they wouldn’t be near any mountains silly. Duuuuuuuuuuuh
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